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-====== Taking a CIS course at another university on a letter of permission end of Fall 2023, beginning of Winter 2024 guide======
+====== Taking a CIS course at another university on a letter of permission end of Fall 2024, beginning of Winter 2025 guide======
-We wrote this because many of you will be asking questions while the University is closed December 23 to January 3rd.
 ''These assume you still like computing and want to catch up to not delay graduation. If you are not in Co-op and you're ok delaying graduation you can make up missed courses at Guelph next year.''
-If you dropped or failed a core CIS course in fall 2023 please read:
+If you dropped or failed a core CIS course in fall 2024 please read:
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+ ==== If you are in first year Winter 2025 ====
+If you dropped or failed CIS*1300 take some time to consider whether you still like Computing and how you can approach studying differently. If you would like to continue with Computing you will need to re-take CIS*1300 at Guelph next Fall, which likely delay graduation. For study help consider [[https://www.uoguelph.ca/studentexperience/bounce-back/|Bounce Back]]
-==== If you are in first year Winter 2024 ====
+If you dropped or failed CIS*1910 there are options for students to make up CIS*1910 before next Fall. Currently, we know of an option at TMU through a Letter of Permission (https://www.uoguelph.ca/registrar/undergraduate/letterofpermission) over the Winter semester. If you don't make it up before next fall you will not be able to take semester 3 CIS courses, delaying graduation. There are no plans to offer CIS*1910 at Guelph in the winter or summer. CIS*2910 can be completed in any winter semester before graduation, it is not a pre-requisite for future CIS courses.
-If you dropped or failed CIS*1300 and or CIS*1910, take some time to consider whether you still like computing. If you do, you should re-take the missed course(s) in the winter semester. You will also need to take CIS*2500 in the summer (likely at Guelph). Email cscouns@uoguelph.ca with a clear request to be added (and what to drop in exchange if you are already registered in courses). CIS prerequisites are not optional. Also consider [[https://www.uoguelph.ca/studentexperience/bounce-back/|Bounce Back]]
 ==== If you dropped or failed CIS*2030 or CIS*2430 or CIS*2520 ====
 If you dropped or failed CIS*2030 and or CIS*2430 and or CIS*2520, take some time to consider whether you still like computing. It's ok if you do, it's ok if you don't, but do take some time to consider what is not going well and how you can plan to do things differently. If you still like computing you can recover.
 **If you did not succeed in one of these three**, CIS prerequisites are not optional in the winter but you can (and should) make up the missed course on a letter of permission at another university.
-  * To make up CIS*2030 you could take Waterloo's CS241 or ECE222, UofT's CSC258H, TMU's BME538 or COE538. There may be others - if you find one you can take email cscouns@uoguelph.ca with the full course outline (that includes textbook, grading, labs, learning outcomes, etc.) **Or make it up next fall at Guelph and then take CIS*3110. This limits your CIS elective options but you can still graduate on time. Co-op students should make it up before returning for winter 2025.**
+  * To make up CIS*2030 you could take Waterloo's CS241 or ECE222, UofT's CSC258H, TMU's BME538 or COE538. There may be others - if you find one you can take email cscouns@uoguelph.ca with the full course outline (that includes textbook, grading, labs, learning outcomes, etc.) **Or make it up next fall at Guelph and then take CIS*3110. This limits your CIS elective options but you can still graduate on time. Co-op students should make it up before returning for winter 2026.**
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   * To make up CIS*2430 you could take TMU's CCPS209, Laurier's CP213, Athabasca's COMP308. There may be others - if you find one you can take email cscouns@uoguelph.ca with the full course outline (that includes textbook, grading, labs, learning outcomes, etc.) You need to make this up before your next fall  semester (or before winter 2025 if Co-op) so you can take CIS*2750 and CIS*3750 to get caught up. CS majors who are not in Co-op could also make up CIS*2430 at Guelph next fall, then take CIS*2750 with CIS*3750 following that.
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-  * To make up CIS*2520 you could take TMU's COE428, Waterloo's ECE250 or CS240, UofT's CSC263H. There may be others - if you find one you can take email cscouns@uoguelph.ca with the full course outline (that includes textbook, grading, labs, learning outcomes, etc.) You need to make this up before your next fall semester (or before winter 2025 if Co-op) so you can take CIS*2750 and CIS*3750 to get caught up. CS majors who are not in Co-op could also make up CIS*2520 at Guelph next fall, then take CIS*2750 with CIS*3750 following that.
+  * To make up CIS*2520 you could take TMU's COE428, Waterloo's ECE250 or CS240, UofT's CSC263H. There may be others - if you find one you can take email cscouns@uoguelph.ca with the full course outline (that includes textbook, grading, labs, learning outcomes, etc.) You need to make this up before your next fall semester (or before winter 2026 if Co-op) so you can take CIS*2750 and CIS*3750 to get caught up. CS majors who are not in Co-op could also make up CIS*2520 at Guelph next fall, then take CIS*2750 with CIS*3750 following that.
-**If you did not succeed in two or more of CIS*2030, CIS*2430, CIS*2520** take significant time over the break to consider what you would like to do and whether you still want to study computing. Consider the Bachelor of Computing General degree. It may not be possible to catch up on this on letters of permission. You very likely need to make these up next fall at Guelph. The Library has [[https://www.lib.uoguelph.ca/writing-studying/studying-resources-workshops/|Study Help]]
+**If you did not succeed in two or more of CIS*2030, CIS*2430, CIS*2520** consider what you would like to do and whether you still want to study computing. Also consider the Bachelor of Computing General degree which does not require CIS*2030. It may not be possible to catch up on all of these on letters of permission. You very likely need to make these up next fall at Guelph. The Library has [[https://www.lib.uoguelph.ca/writing-studying/studying-resources-workshops/|Study Help]]
-== Having read this, if you have further questions or want to get clarity on your plans, please email cscouns@uoguelph.ca (include SoCSWikiRead in the email's subject to show that you have read this and have considered options), and tell us about your thoughts and plans **with details**. ==
 === Letters of Permission ===
-A letter of permission [LOP] approves a course at another university for transfer credit to Guelph. You will need to work on your own to become a visiting student at that university, register for courses at that university, and pay tuition to that university. The LOP does not register you in the course. University courses are not identical, they vary. The LOP course will not be an exact match for the Guelph course. It will be close, and the failed course + LOP course + some self study should help you to catch up and continue with your courses at Guelph.
+A letter of permission [LOP] approves a course at another university for transfer credit to Guelph. You will need to work on your own to become a visiting student at that university, register for courses at that university, and pay tuition to that university. The LOP does not register you in the course. University courses are not identical, they vary. The LOP course will not be an exact match for the Guelph course. It will be close, and the failed course + LOP course + some self study should help you to catch up and continue with your courses at Guelph. Grades do not transfer, they will be on your transcript with the other university. If you pass the course the credit will transfer but the grade will stay at the other University.
 [[https://www.uoguelph.ca/registrar/undergraduate/letterofpermission|Letter of Permission]]
-== Please email the completed letter of permission to cscouns@uoguelph.ca (include SoCSWikiRead in the email's subject to show that you have read this and have considered options) once you are pretty sure what course you will take.
+== Please email the completed letter of permission to cscouns@uoguelph.ca ==
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